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95_was_the_time
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United Kingdom
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 Posted - 2019/03/02 : 23:51:17
I'm not saying hardcore's dying out (cause who knows what's around the corner for this scene) but do I think one of the problems was the "big boys" not letting smaller boys (and girls... suppose I gotta be PC nowadays) into the scene REGARDS TO SETS ON THE NIGHT. Listen to these mixes.. it's all very inclusive. I love Scott brown but how many of his mixes were basically just his own tunes and a few friends... then listen to a Sy set, how many tunes were just Quash records etc etc.... it was this "the big boys" in the scene that can dry out a scene of new talent (from a dj/producer perspective, not the punters) ... you know what I mean? or am I just talkin bollocks again lol.
ok this should probably be in some sort of scene retrospective thread but F it
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Craigavon raver
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Posted - 2019/03/10 : 19:38:36
So has gammer completely left the hardcore scene then? haven't heard much of him in years, but heard people complaining about his music on here, making dub-core or electro-core or both! can't remember, and didn't even bother myself to watch the video lol
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sterichie26
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Posted - 2019/03/10 : 19:47:54
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Originally posted by Craigavon raver:
So has gammer completely left the hardcore scene then? haven't heard much of him in years, but heard people complaining about his music on here, making dub-core or electro-core or both! can't remember, and didn't even bother myself to watch the video lol
Yes mate, Gammer has washed his hands off the scene and proceeds to make the shite he is making now. Always wondered that if it didnt work out for him in his new genre would he ever come crawling back to the Hardcore scene ? I personally think he is a shithouse but one vocal hook and an uplifting riff and i dont think it would take much for him to be established in the scene again.
But for now now he has vacated the scene. Also really riles me that he gets a lot of lovely comments online and doesnt acknowledge hardly any, but post something negative or just your opinion and he is all over it like a rash being a total toss pot.
Anyway the whole TWR debacle was enough for me, ****ed a lot of people over who paid for his releases and supported the label and just did one without so much as an explanation.
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Craigavon raver
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Posted - 2019/03/10 : 20:00:03
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Originally posted by sterichie26:
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Originally posted by Craigavon raver:
So has gammer completely left the hardcore scene then? haven't heard much of him in years, but heard people complaining about his music on here, making dub-core or electro-core or both! can't remember, and didn't even bother myself to watch the video lol
Yes mate, Gammer has washed his hands off the scene and proceeds to make the shite he is making now. Always wondered that if it didnt work out for him in his new genre would he ever come crawling back to the Hardcore scene ? I personally think he is a shithouse but one vocal hook and an uplifting riff and i dont think it would take much for him to be established in the scene again.
But for now now he has vacated the scene. Also really riles me that he gets a lot of lovely comments online and doesnt acknowledge hardly any, but post something negative or just your opinion and he is all over it like a rash being a total toss pot.
Anyway the whole TWR debacle was enough for me, ****ed a lot of people over who paid for his releases and supported the label and just did one without so much as an explanation.
Yeah i know about and can remember together we rise, but i thought breeze was behind and run that? but when it actually comes to gammers tracks don't know the last 1 i heard, actually came across a styles,dougal & gammer track on youtube a few months back on monstercat, was absoulutely terrible! don't even know if it was hardcore! but i noticed in the comments someone said it wasn't styles, gammer & dougal who done the track, but none the less it was shite!
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sterichie26
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Posted - 2019/03/10 : 20:23:00
Too true mate, what we once knew as UK hardcore or Happy Hardcore is sadly being diluted by this trappy dubby EDM style shite which is AWFUL !
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Elipton
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Posted - 2019/06/01 : 04:26:48
He was the wonderkid of the genre for a long time, and that huge fanbase put him in the spotlight every time his style changed. When he did evolve his music, he got a lot of stick (from everyone, including/especially us) and no one can really know how to handle that attention.
I think he's someone who genuinely loves what he does, and loves achieving personal goals with it. I think he found it very difficult to integrate in a community that was very polarised about him and his public relations.
He's enjoying himself and achieving far more than even he imagined and that enjoyment should reflect naturally in his music. He's no longer trying to impress with it, he's no longer trying to wind people up with it. Happy ending.
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Anon.
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Posted - 2019/06/13 : 21:26:30
Gammer is a snowflake that is all
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trippnface
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Posted - 2019/06/14 : 17:42:28
interesting opinions from people that are not as big of dicks as us :
"Yes, I know. I was a huge fan for many years. He?s not one anymore and has made it clear that he?s moved away from the genre. So I?m not exactly thrilled to see him and a DJ who uses hardstyle as a surprise drop listed on the basscon lineup. Especially if they?re taking the spot of an actual hard dance DJ. "
"I?m sorry. Unpopular opinion:
I used to love Gammer. He was my favorite ****ing DJ. His talent is insane, and his songs and mixes were all 🔥🔥🔥. But then he stopped playing UK Hardcore. He started playing Dub drops in Hardcore songs. Then he started counting down to his drops. Like every. Single. One. And he started to play pretty much 10% UK Hardcore in his sets.
Now I?m all for a DJ progressing, and finding themselves. But at what point do you stop accepting bookings for genres that you don?t play anymore?
I?m a fan of Hardstyle, and Hardcore, and most Hard Dance in general. And I don?t know why the only Hard Dance festival in the US (run by Insomniac) Project: Z, is doing a B2B with two DJs that don?t play full Hard Dance sets. It?s annoying.
/rant"
lol. even mainstream ravers are over his ********. they are echoing the same complaints we had years ago. safe to say, he ****ed up
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djDMS
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Posted - 2019/06/14 : 18:05:54
DJ's wanted for Hard dance festivals. Must be able to give up all artistic integrity and use a microphone. Some mixing skills an advantage.
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Sulphurik
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Posted - 2019/08/23 : 20:27:09
He's back with a hardcore track This Is The End
https://www.beatport.com/release/this-is-the-end/2684623
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djDMS
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Posted - 2019/08/23 : 20:39:12
...and it's not terrible.
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SparkzMusic
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 2019/08/24 : 16:33:08
Oh c'mon it's a bag of sh!t.
Melody is yawn. Very similar to 1 or 2 melodies used in Plus System/Scott Brown tracks. The first thing that came into my head when I heard this is "plus system melody" so must be similar to one of those.
It's very much one of those boring chord structures.
The way it's produced with that boring, overused melody, is that unless someone likes the vocal song (total tripe, whiny, crap, modern pop/rock/acoustic) there's no point hearing any of it as it hasn't got much else going for it.
Surely it's a huge step back? Gammer's melodies used to be quite complex, energetic, with plenty of variation.
Ah well, no doubt it will sell loads of copies and have a bunch of kids saying how great it is.
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djDMS
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Posted - 2019/08/24 : 17:54:24
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Originally posted by SparkzMusic:
Oh c'mon it's a bag of sh!t.
Melody is yawn. Very similar to 1 or 2 melodies used in Plus System/Scott Brown tracks. The first thing that came into my head when I heard this is "plus system melody" so must be similar to one of those.
It's very much one of those boring chord structures.
The way it's produced with that boring, overused melody, is that unless someone likes the vocal song (total tripe, whiny, crap, modern pop/rock/acoustic) there's no point hearing any of it as it hasn't got much else going for it.
Surely it's a huge step back? Gammer's melodies used to be quite complex, energetic, with plenty of variation.
Ah well, no doubt it will sell loads of copies and have a bunch of kids saying how great it is.
Compared to what he's done recently it's an improvement. Is it anything new? Nope! It might sound like everything else but it doesn't drive me mad so I stand by what I said. The days of me expecting anything special from him are long gone.
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Samination
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Joined: Jul, 2004
195 hardcore releases
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Posted - 2019/08/26 : 06:12:54
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Originally posted by SparkzMusic:
Oh c'mon it's a bag of sh!t.
Melody is yawn. Very similar to 1 or 2 melodies used in Plus System/Scott Brown tracks. The first thing that came into my head when I heard this is "plus system melody" so must be similar to one of those.
It's very much one of those boring chord structures.
The way it's produced with that boring, overused melody, is that unless someone likes the vocal song (total tripe, whiny, crap, modern pop/rock/acoustic) there's no point hearing any of it as it hasn't got much else going for it.
Surely it's a huge step back? Gammer's melodies used to be quite complex, energetic, with plenty of variation.
Ah well, no doubt it will sell loads of copies and have a bunch of kids saying how great it is.
You act like Gammer has never sounded like Scott Brown before?
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2019/08/26 : 17:47:06
It's not my type of thing (I'm not into the modern sound) but even so i think the breakdown is excellent. For someone who is into that sound it must be even better. It's a strong sounding tune to me.
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